Sylvester Latimer's family, Ohio 1800s

Trying to untangle some more mysteries.

So, now that it looks like I've found some of Charles D Latimer's family, I wanted to solve the mystery of his mother. The 1850 census has his father, Sylvester, married to a Susan Jane who was born in Kentucky. But Charles's mother was born in Pennsylvania. Was Sylvester married twice? I hunted around and I believe he was.

from
 http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~delawareohio/Cemetery/og/og_data_excel/l.htm


last name    first                                             birth date             death date       father                                  

Latimer	Harriet M.	--/--/1804	04/29/1845	Meeker, Forrest  (Col.)
Latimer	John F. "Father"	--/--/1801	--/--/1894
Latimer	Lucius	--/--/1807	03/07/1849
Latimer	Martha Rosine	--/--/1838	08/11/1874	Latimer, Sylvester	Meeker, Harriet
Latimer	Mary Simonette "Mother"	01/16/1805	09/24/1884	Williams,
Latimer	Susan J.	--/--/1801	12/31/1898
Latimer	Sylvester	--/--/1799	01/30/1877
Latimore	Susan A.		04/19/1896

Luttgen	Harriet M.	11/23/1842	06/06/1910	Latimer, Sylvester	Meeker, Harriet
Luttgen	Ludwig A.A.	10/07/1831	12/03/1909
Luttgen	Mary Harriet	--/--/1868	08/19/1868	Luttgen, Ludwig A.A.	Meeker, Harriet
Luttgen	Percy L.	08/04/1874	02/12/1882	Luttgen, Ludwig	Meeker, Harriet

So I wanted to track down Harriet Meeker, whom I believe is the mother of Harriet M. Luttgen, and therefore the mother of Charles D Latimer. I don't know why Harriet Meeker is listed as the mother of Mary Harriet Luttgen and Percy L Luttgen, as I know it's Harriet M. Latimer...maybe the "M" stands for Meeker in her name.

According to a family tree on ancestry.com Sylvester Latimer and Harriet Meeker married on 6 November 1828

Harriet Meeker Latimer died in 1845

And then I found this:

Fleming county Kentucky marriage records 1798-1851
Sylvester Latimer and Susan Stith m. 4 January 1849

So then I start hunting Susan Stith as I know in census records Sylvester's wife is named Susan Jane and she was born in Kentucky.

In the will of Jane Heddleston Stith from http://www.jscott.tierranet.com/ancestry/stith/ellamae/ancestry.htm
she mentions her daughter Susan Latimer in her will. She also mentions other children, and through tracking a son I see that he wound up in Delaware, Delaware, Ohio. While not proof, I'll take it.

So, this is what it's looking like to me:

Sylvester Latimer
b. 1799 d. 30 January 1877
m 1st Harriet Meeker on 6 November 1828

issue:
1-Virgil P Latimer b. January 1830, husband to Josephine Hopkins
2-Henry Sylvester Latimer b. 13 September 1831, husband to Lucinda Coon (according to a family tree on ancestry.com)
3-Charles D Latimer b. June 1833, husband to Frances E Newman married in New York
4-Sarah J Latimer b. about 1834 (16 in the 1860 census)
5-Mary A Latimer b. about 1836 (14 in the 1860 census)
6-Martha Rosine Latimer b. about 1838 (12 in the 1850 census, 31 in the 1870), wife of Henry Clark
    but why is Rose Latimer living with Sylvester in the 1870 census...why isn't she with her husband?
7-Josephine Latimer b. about 1840 (she was not in the 1850 census, but was 20 in the 1860 census, and there's a Josey in the 1870 census that is 28)
8-Harriet M Latimer b. 23 November 1842 d. 6 June 1910, wife of Lucius A A (Ludwig Adolph August) Luttgen (8 in 1850, 17 in 1860)

Harriet Meeker Latimer died 29 April 1845

Sylvester Latimer marries 2nd Susan Jane Stith on 4 January 1949

Sylvester and Susan then appear on the 1850 census and everyone thinks she is the mother of the children.

Sylvester dies 30 January 1877.

Susan dies 31 January 1898.

tracking Charles D Latimer, b.1833 Ohio

After posting about Frances E Newman Latimer, I spent some time tracking her husband. Here are the results.

Charles D Latimer
b. June 1833 Ohio
d. 9 October 1915

He spent time in several different National Homes for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers from which records I discovered that:
He was in Company G of the 74th New York Infantry under Captain Chester.
He was 5'6", light complexion, blue eyes, grey hair, and his occupation is burnisher.
He has a brother named Virgil T Latimer (except that it's Virgil P Latimer)
He has a sister named Mrs. Hattie Lutzen (Harriet Luttgen)
He has a relative named Walter Lutgen (turned out to be his cousin, Harriet's son)
He had a niece named Mrs. Fannie Edgar (married James Edgar 2nd, the last name of her first husband was Thornburg. I haven't tracked down her maiden name yet, so I don't know how she's Charles's niece).
His health problems: right inguinal hernia, impaired vision, incontinence, senility, bunions on both feet.

Tracing the above people, I believe that Charles D. Latimer and Virgil P Latimer are the sons of Sylvester Latimer and Harriet is his daughter.

I'm not positive about this list of children for Sylvester Latimer as some census years had slightly different info and I don't have "proof" other than Charles's brother was Virgil and his sister was Harriet Lutgen...and Harriet's parents are Sylvester and Harriet.

children of Sylvester and Harriet Meeker:
1-Virgil P Latimer b. January 1830, husband to Josephine Hopkins
2-Henry Sylvester Latimer b. 13 September 1831, husband to Lucinda Coon (according to a family tree on ancestry.com)
3-Charles D Latimer b. June 1833, husband to Frances E Newman
4-Sarah J Latimer b. about 1834 (16 in the 1860 census)
5-Mary A Latimer b. about 1836 (14 in the 1860 census)
6-Martha Rose Latimer b. about 1838 (12 in the 1850 census, 31 in the 1870), wife of Henry Clark
    but why is Rose Latimer living with Sylvester in the 1870 census...why isn't she with her husband?
7-Josephine Latimer b. about 1840 (she was not in the 1850 census, but was 20 in the 1860 census, and there's a Josey in the 1870 census that is 28)
8-Harriet M Latimer b. 23 November 1842 d. 6 June 1910, wife of Lucius A A (Ludwig Adolph August) Luttgen (8 in 1850, 17 in 1860)


Charles D Latimer's timeline:

1833-born in Ohio in June 1833

1850-age 17-he is in Simsbury, Hartford, Connecticut listed with the family of Decius Latimer, but is not his child

1852-age 21-he is listed in the California State Census in El Dorado county (I wouldn't be sure it was my Charles, but his brother Virgil was in El Dorado county California in the 1850 census)

1855-Hartford Connecticut--he is in the city directory as Charles D Latimer, barber, 112 Main St

1861-age 28-he enlists in New York in the 74th NY Infantry on 5 June 1861 as a Private

1862-he musters out at Fort McHenry in Baltimore, Maryland on 5 November 1962 as a Sergeant

1865-he marries Frances E Newman in Brooklyn, Kings, New York on 8 September 1865, they later
         divorced apparently as she remarries in 1901 to Edgar Skidmore, but Charles is still alive

1866-his son Charles O Latimer is born about 1 July 1866

1868-he is listed in the Brooklyn directory as a plater, lives at 64 Washington Ave
1869-he is listed in the Brooklyn directory as a plasterer, lives at 676 Myrtle Ave

1871-there is a Charles C Latimer listed in the Columbus, Ohio directory and occupation is listed as electro plater

1871-age 38-he is at the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers in Johnson City, Washington, Tennessee

1871-age 38-he is at the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers in Dayton, Montgomery, Ohio

1873-age 40-he is at the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers in Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin

1876-he is listed in the Brooklyn directory as a plater, lives at 519 De Kalb Ave
1877-he is listed in the Brooklyn directory as a plater, lives at 519 De Kalb Ave

1884-age 51-he is at the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers in Bath, Steuben, New York

1889-(age 55) his son, Charles O. Latimer, dies in Brooklyn 1 April 1889

1900 US Census-age 67-he is in Jefferson, Montgomery, Ohio in a National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldier, b. June 1833, divorced, b. Ohio, father born Connecticut, mother born Pennsylvania

1910 US Census-age 77-he is in Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland, he was a lodger, widower, silver plater is his occupation, b. Ohio, father born Connecticut, mother born Pennsylvania

1915-he died on 9 October 1915 of a cerebral hemorrhage. The military record is unclear, but I believe he died in Ohio.

Name:	Charles Latimer
Service Info.:	SGT INFANTRY CIVIL WAR
Death Date:	9 Oct 1915
Cemetery:	Dayton National Cemetery
Cemetery Address:	VA Medical Center 4100 West Third Street Dayton, OH 45428
Buried At:	Section 1 Row 13 Site 35

I can't find him in the 1860, 1870, or the 1880 census, or the New York State Censuses. The 1900 census is the only time divorce is listed. Frances is listed as a widow in 1872, 1880, 1882, and 1889.

putting it all together: The William and Hannah (Westover) Newman Clan

William and Hannah (Westover) Newman were both born in England. I do not know when they came over and if they were already married with they did come over. Most of the following events occurred in Brooklyn, Kings, New York. A few occurred on Long Island.

1^st generation:

William NEWMAN (b. abt 1803-d. 12 March 1858) married Hannah WESTOVER (24 Apr 1811-27 Jul 1887)

               

*********************************************************************************************************************

Brooklyn Eagle
Thursday, July 28, 1887
Page: 3
Section: none

NEWMAN--On July 27, Mrs. Hannah Newman, aged 76.
     Funeral services at the residence of her son in law, Mr. John H. Miller, 685A Hancock st, Brooklyn, N.Y., on Friday, July 29th, at 2 P.M.

*********************************************************************************************************************

2^nd generation:

>Children of William and Hannah (Westover) Newman:

1. Sarah Ann NEWMAN married John Henry MILLER
(9 Apr 1830-2 Jan 1923)      (11 May 1833-14 Jun 1901)

2. Mary Jane NEWMAN   married   David C. STEWART

(b. 17 Oct 1834-d. aft 1900 census)    (b. about 1833)

3. Frances E NEWMAN married 1st Charles D. LATIMER, married 2nd Edgar Skidmore

(b. 29 Feb 1840- 5 January 1917)

4. Thomas NEWMAN

(b. about 1843)
Might be the Thomas NEWMAN that enlisted in the Navy in 1859 at age 16

5. Catharine “Kate” B. NEWMAN married 1^st John J COOK  married 2^nd Robert LOUDEN

(28 Feb 1845-9 January 1900)                          (b. about 1842)                     (b. Jan 1840)

3^rd generation:

>Children of Sarah Ann Newman and John Henry Miller:

1. Caroline A MILLER married Thomas E CARMAN
(b. Apr 1854)                             (b. Sep 1850)

2. Mary Jane MILLER married Joshua Purdy JERVIS

(6 Jan 1856-24 Jan 1939)    (15 Aug 1851-3 Jan 1939)

3. Frances Elizabeth MILLER, never married

(12 Sep 1857-1 Dec 1936)

4. Emma L. MILLER married Ferdinand L. ALLEN

(b. Jun 1860)                          (b. 18 Jun 1852)

5. Charles Latimer MILLER married Mildred MINNERLY

(26 Apr 1866-7 Apr 1931)              (b. June 1865)

>Children of Mary Jane NEWMAN and David C. STEWART:

1. Esther A/Hester STEWART married William N MERWIN
(b. Aug 1859)                                      (b. Feb 1856)

2. Kate B. STEWART married William S SMITH

(b. Jan 1862)                             (b. Jan 1860)

>Child of Frances E NEWMAN and probably Charles D LATIMER:

1. Charles O LATIMER
(1 July 1866-1 Apr 1889)

>Child of Catharine/Kate B NEWMAN and John J or A COOK:

1. James W COOK
(b. about 1867)

>Children of Catharine/Kate B NEWMAN and Robert LOUDEN:

1. Robert William LOUDEN (I don’t know for sure that he is Kate’s--maybe Robert had a first wife--but he probably is)
(b. about 1873)

2. Edgar Bennett LOUDEN

(b. 22 Aug 1878)

4^th generation:

>Children of Caroline A MILLER and Thomas E CARMAN:

1. Elbert Henry CARMAN
(b. 22 Sep 1873)

2. Fred Willis CARMAN

(b. 22 Sep 1875)

3. William Edward CARMAN

(b. 2 Apr 1877)

4. Joshua J CARMAN

(b. July 1879)

5. Cornelius Powell CARMAN

(b. 13 Mar 1882)

6. Forrest Preston CARMAN

(b. 13 Mar 1896)

>Children of Mary Jane MILLER and Joshua Purdy JERVIS:
1. Grace Purdy JERVIS married William Wallace SMITH
(12 Apr 1879-1 Aug 1962)       (5 Apr 1886-17 Mar 1974)

2. Sarah Emma JERVIS married Reverend Arthur Cuthbert WRIGHT

(1 Jun 1881-26 Oct 1916)                              (b. 5 Oct 1878)

3. Scudder Carll JERVIS

(20 Sep 1883-6 Sep 1889) there’s a chance he was born on the 6^th and died on the 20^th

4. Charles Miller JERVIS  married  Carolie MEIGS

(14 Oct 1885-23 Jan 1961)    (5 Oct 1900-23 Sep 1986)

>Child of Charles Latimer MILLER and Mildred MINNERLY

1. John H MILLER married Helen Ellen BERTRAND
(b. May 1889)            (b. 1892-about 1919)

>Children of Esther A/Hester STEWART and William N MERWIN

1. Adelaide Newman MERWIN married Fred Woolhiser
(b. Oct 1878)                                         (b. Feb 1875)

2. Pauline B MERWIN married Herman M SNETLAGE

(b. Jul 1882 )                               (b. about 1873 )

3. William N MERWIN, Jr

(b. Oct 1884)

>Child of Kate B STEWART and William S SMITH

1. Hettie SMITH
(b Jan 1895)

2 and 3? Mary/Margaretta RANDOLPH (b. Feb 1884) and Jesse T RANDOLPH (b. May 1885) are also listed as the daughters of William S SMITH in the 1900 US Census and in the 1905 New York state census, but I can’t figure out if they are Kate’s from a previous marriage, or perhaps they are adopted?

5^th generation:

>The children of Grace Purdy JERVIS and William Wallace SMITH:

1. Scudder Jervis SMITH
(18 Dec 1912-5 Apr 2001)

2. Sara Westover SMITH married Carl Henry DANIELSON

(b. 4 Oct 1918-2008)

>Children of Charles Miller JERVIS, Sr and Carolie MEIGS

1. Joel Russ JERVIS
(5 Apr 1924-28 Oct 1997)

2. Charles Miller JERVIS, Jr

(b. 14 Oct 1932)

>Child of John H. MILLER and Helen

1. Charles M. MILLER
(b. 25 May 1915)

>Children of Pauline Beatrice MERWIN and Herman M SNETLAGE:

1. Bernard R SNETLAGE
(b. about 1907-1994)

2. Hester Louise SNETLAGE

(b. about 1909-1952)

3. Henry M SNETLAGE

(b. about 1914-1976)

4. Beatrice P SNETLAGE

(b. about Sep 1918-1963)    

cemetery plots leading to new discoveries on the Newman, Latimer, Cook, Stewart lines

A reminder of the clan:

William Newman b abt 1803 England d. 1858 New York
Hannah (Westover) Newman  b. 1811 England d. 1887 New York

children:
Sarah Ann (Newman) Miller b. 1830 Gravesend, Brooklyn, NY d. 1923 NY
Mary Jane (Newman) Stewart b. 1834 NY d. ???
Frances E (Newman) Latimer b. 1840 NY d. aft 1901
Thomas Newman b. abt 1843 d...after 1850
Catharine B (Newman) Cook b. 1845 d. aft 1888

So, I ordered the death certificate of Charles O. Latimer (my great-great grandmother's nephew) and was disappointed when it didn't list his father's name. However, it did list the cemetery he was buried in, Cypress Hills in Brooklyn. After a few missed tries at reaching the research department, I was able to make contact this morning.

So, Olga looks up Charles this morning and tells me he is in section 15 lot 47. I was sad to find out that they don't have info like the parent's names, but they can send me the age at death, date of death, cause of death, and the last residence. ($30 for the first 5 names, $5 for each name after that)

The others buried in this lot are:

John J. Cook (Charles's uncle, married to his Aunt Catharine B)
James W. Cook (Charles's cousin)
F E Louden (didn't know this name)
Kate B. Louden (I thought Kate B might be Catharine B, but didn't know if it was the same person)
Robert Louden (obviously related to the 2 Louden's above, but who is he)
Mary J. Stewart (Charles's aunt)
Frances Skidmore (Charles's mother's name is Frances...but Skidmore?)
Hester A. Merwin (Charles had a cousin Hester/Esther A. Stewart, so this might be her married name)
Hannah Newman (Charles's grandma, my 3rd great grandmother)


So, I spent some time on familysearch.org and ancestry.com today and tried to track down the Loudens, Frances Skidmore, Hester A Merwin, and Thomas Newman. I tried googling some of the names, but didn't have luck with that tactic.

So, what were some of my findings?

The Loudens:

One of my first discoveries was in the 1892 NY State Census:

Fannie Latimer    45

Robt Louden      50
Kate Louden      45
Robt Louden      18
Edgar Louden     13

The ages for Fannie and Kate are wrong, but close enough.

Then I found this birth record:
Edgar R Lowden b 22 Aug 1878 Brooklyn, parents: Robert Lowden and Kate D Newman.


With the 1880 census having this:

Robert Lowden     32  Maine-Maine-Maine
Kate         "            30   NY-Engl-Engl
Robert William "      7    NY-Maine-NY
Edgar Bennett  "      1    NY-Maine-NY

The 1900 Census has Robert Louden listed as a widower, so Kate has passed away by 1900. By 1905 Robert has remarried to Rena and they had three children together...

Frances Skidmore

--could this be Charles's mother, Frances E (Newman) Latimer? I'm beginning to think she is. Latimer and Skidmore are similar.

Last time I "saw" Frances Latimer was in the 1901 Brooklyn Directory. I searched for Frances Skidmore today and found this:

1910 US Census Brooklyn  Graham Home for the Aged Ladies
Frances E (like my Frances) Skidmore
age 70 (so born 1840, like my Frances)
b. NY, father b. England, mother b. England (like my Frances)
widow, mother of 1 with 0 still living (just like my Frances)

1915 NY State Census Kings county, NY
Frances E Skidmore
age 75
b. Gravesend (like my Frances's older sister Sarah)

So, if the census takers just misread the registry at the Home for Ages Ladies, how come the cemetery records also call her Frances Skidmore? I will see if the cemetery records shed any more light on this situation.

Hester A Merwin

--well, I didn't find anything helpful at this point, but how can she not be Hester/Esther A Stewart, the daughter of Mary Jane (Newman) Stewart?

Thomas Newman

Thomas Newman references can be found...but there hasn't been a way to tell if they are mine or not. It's too common a name. But, I did find one reference that might be mine:

US Naval Enlistment Jan 1859
Thomas Newman age 16 (so born in 1843, just like my Thomas)
B. Gravesend, New York (just like my Thomas's oldest sister Sarah)

But I don't know what happened to him after this. I have emailed Cypress Hills Cemetery to ask if they have a record of him being buried there.

Still more work to do, but I love solving mysteries.

using directories to help with my Newman, Stewart, Latimer, and Cook lines

I have never used directories before in genealogical research, but tonight the Brooklyn directories were a big help (accessing the ancestry.com database).

I have my William and Hannah (Westover) Newman. There was a William Newman who died in March of 1858 and his residence was "Park at Kent." I did not know if this was my William, but I thought there was a good chance that it was.

Tonight I discover that my Hannah Newman was living at 646 Myrtle St...which is basically the opposite side of the block from Park and Kent (if the block is a rectangle and the corners are labeled A, B, C, and D, it's like Park and Kent are the A point and 676 Myrtle is the C corner). Each directory year shows that the family kept moving, but usually within a few blocks of their previous address.

100% proof? No. But in my mind it's a 99.9% proof.

I've also been looking for the name of the husband of Frances E Newman. I know his last name is Latimer. Their son's (Charles O Latimer's) death certificate came today and I was very sad to see that the name of his parents are not on the certificate. :(  However, it does list the cemetery. I tried to contact them today, but they were already closed. I will try again tomorrow.

Now one of the reasons why I knew the death certificate that arrived today was the Charles O Latimer I was looking for is that his residence at the time of his death, 237 Duffield, goes with where his mother was living in 1888-89 (251 Duffield, according to the directory).

But, in looking at the directories and searching for Hannah Newman and her family (Mary Jane and David C Stewart, Frances E Latimer, and Catharine and John Cook), I see that in 1876 a Charles D. Latimer is living at 519 De Kalb, and so is Hannah Newman. So, now I'm trying to track down Charles D. Latimer and see if he is indeed married to Frances E Newman (I suppose there's a slight chance he's the father-in-law).

There is one confusion I'm having in reading the entries in the directory. The explanation says that sometimes the names of adult children are listed with the parents. The explanation didn't say anything about deceased spouses, yet I find this:

1876 Newman, Hannah, wid William 519 De Kalb av
1882 Latimer Fanny E wid Charles O dressmkr 471 Marcy Av
1888-89 F E Latimer widow Charles 251 Duffield
1889-90 Catharine Cook, widow John 404A Monroe

Interesting thing, there is a Charles D. Latimer that is listed in 1868, 1869, 1876, and 1877, and then I don't see him again. Frances/Fanny is first listed in 1878, so even though I thought her husband died before 1870 (he wasn't listed with them in the 1870 census), I guess he died around 1877-78.

So, I'm making some progress, though I still haven't figured out the death dates for most of the children and their spouses, but I am getting things narrowed down.

breakthrough on Sarah Ann Newman Miller's parents

Well, after posting the previous post, I thought maybe I'd switch from looking at the Jervis side and try my hand at the Miller/Newman side. I'm so glad I did because I now finally have proof of what I slowly came to realize to be true...after first rejecting it, then investigating, then believing, then knowing but needing proof...this breakthrough in my genealogy has only taken me at least 15-20 years to accomplish.

So, what is the find that is literally making me feel a bit berserk?

Brooklyn Eagle
Thursday, July 28, 1887
Page: 3
Section: none

NEWMAN--On July 27, Mrs. Hannah Newman, aged 76.
     Funeral services at the residence of her son in law, Mr. John H. Miller, 685A Hancock st, Brooklyn, N.Y., on Friday, July 29th, at 2 P.M.



Those few words her son in law, Mr. John H. Miller bring such joy to my heart.

The journey:

I knew from info given to me 35 years ago by relatives that my 2nd great grandmother, Sarah Ann Newman, married my 2nd great grandfather, John H. Miller. According to an article, Sarah's parents were named Hannah and Thomas Newman.

As I hunted for her parents in the 1850 census in New York before the days of the internet using book indexes in the Salt Lake library, I came across only one Sarah Newman that was the right age (20) in the right place (Brooklyn), but the father's name was William, not Thomas, and the mother's name was Anna, not Hannah. But there was a brother named Thomas along with sisters Mary Jane, Frances, and Catherine. My Sarah named 2 of her daughters Mary Jane and Frances (and Caroline and Emma...none were named Catherine and her son was named Charles, not Thomas).

I ordered my Sarah's death certificate a while back. It listed her father as ------- Newman and her mother as Hannah Westover. So I now had a maiden name for her mother, but it didn't help with the father.

Thanks to the internet, Ancestry.com, and familysearch.org, I tracked William and Anna and family and discovered that in all other census records, Anna's name was Hannah! William was not to been seen again...I guessed he died in between the 1850 and 1860 census and I have found a record of a William Newman dying in 1858, but the records kept at that time didn't help me identify him as the William I was seeking.

I discovered that "the other" Sarah's sister Frances had a son named Charles O. Latimer around 1866...my Sarah had a son she named Charles Latimer Miller in April of 1866.

So, how to prove it all. I finally tried to track "the other" Sarah's siblings to find their death certificates to see if their mother's name was Hannah Westover...but I couldn't find out when any of them died. Their names were too common and there were too many choices.

One day I was looking at the New York state census and discovered that next door to "the other" Sarah's sister Mary was living a Ferdinand Allen and his family...the same Ferdinand who later became Sarah's son-in-law (after his wife passed away). So I "knew" William and Anna were my 3rd great grandparents. But I needed proof.

I spent 4 hours recently in the Salt Lake Family History Library looking at reel after reel after reel of Brooklyn death records (I believe I looked at 27 reels) looking for any Hannah Newmans.

I was afraid there'd be too many, but I only found 2 and one was the wrong age. The other record was so faded I almost couldn't read it (but considering the next 2 records were so faded as to be totally illegible, I'll take the highly faded one). I wasn't sure of the age (70? 76?) or death date (except the 1887 part) but I could read the death certificate number. I ordered it and it came the other day.

The info didn't confirm or refute anything, however, but it did list a cemetery...a misspelled cemetery that took me a bit to figure out what it was. I tried contacting them (Cypress Hills) through their website, but as of yet, I haven't heard from them.

This afternoon, I took that death date and went to the Brooklyn Daily Eagle site where I found the above obituary proving my Sarah and "the other" Sarah are one and the same. Proof.


Big sigh.


Now to tackle John Henry Miller's parents... [and I found them...click here to see their info]

new discoveries--sharing photos with dropbox.com and looking at online newspaper sources

Mary Jo, my father's cousin whom I have never met, introduced me to dropbox.com where you can share files with anyone...even yourself (from one computer to another). We shared some photos last week and it's been wonderful. She gave me some photos of hers and was able to identify some of the people in mine.

For example, the following photo--which for some reason I have always loved--now has a name or two attached. The laughing woman holding the baby that I have been drawn to is one of my grandma's sisters...which is what I suspected, but didn't know for sure. I present my great aunt Edna Meigs Strong:

My other find, with the help of one of my genealogy email lists, is a link to a site where you can search some digitized old newspapers for genealogical information. I am working on the descendants of Joel and Elizabeth (Smith) Jervis and have been able to fill in some names and dates. I especially love finding obituaries. I knew such things were out there...I had stumbled upon the Brooklyn Daily Eagle database once...but now I have the link to another site and it's at the top of my web page here, so I won't misplace it.

Good stuff.

The need to be cautious in making assumptions in genealogy

What are the chances?

So, a cousin has a photo of Ann Catherine Shoemaker Riddlebaugh Joy Norman with 3 children. On the back is written something like Ann Catherine with the Pierce boys. For years the conjecture was that when she married again (and family stories say that she had), she must have married someone by the last name of Pierce.

Later it was discovered that she married a John Joy and then a Mark Norman. Since her daughters hadn't married anyone whose last name was Pierce, I thought maybe one of her step-children had.

I took the names of Mark Norman's daughter by his first marriage (Louisa Jane, Rosa Belle, and Elizabeth Mary) and searched for them with Pierce as the last name. I found a Rosa Belle Pierce married to a Claremont Pierce. Thought I was onto something. I hunted until I finally discovered that Rosa Belle was the daughter of ... the wrong parents.

So, back to the drawing board.

Theodore Gilbert MOMINEE (1906-1995) Ohio updated

"Ted" was my maternal grandfather.

Theodore Gilbert MOMINEE is the 6th of 7 children born to Frederick and Pearl (VINCENT) MOMINEE
     b. 26 October 1906 Oregon, Lucas, Ohio
     m. 1st Helen Elvira RIDDLEBAUGH 18 April 1931 Toledo, Lucas, Ohio
     m. 2nd Laura Velva MASON 14 September 1947 Rossford, Wood, Ohio
     d. 21 December 1995 Oregon, Lucas, Ohio

Ted's first marriage, to Helen Elvira RIDDLEBAUGH, ended in divorce after they had their only child, my mother, Barbara. Ted later remarried Laura Velva MASON, but sadly Laura was not able to have any children. She told me she got pregnant once or twice, but miscarried early on. Years later she found out she had an "infantile uterus" and that is why they weren't able to have children.

I actually don't know too much about my grandfather. He was Catholic and had my mother baptized into the Catholic church when she was an infant (but she wound up being raised a Methodist). When he and my grandmother divorced, the courts would not allow Ted to raise a daughter by himself, considering it an inappropriate thing for a single man to raise a girl. Mom didn't know that at the time and grew up thinking her parents didn't want her. As an adult, a cousin told her that Ted had wanted to raise her but the courts said no.

Ted married his second wife, Laura, when mom was 12, but by then, of course, mom was settled and living with an aunt and uncle in Alabama, leaving Ohio behind. She was allowed hardly any contact with her parents as she was growing up and didn't have too much contact with them when she was an adult. I do barely remember visiting Ted in his barbershop/home on one of our summer visits to Ohio when I was young. That is the only time I think I saw him. The thing is, I remember the barbershop and apartment, but barely remember seeing a man there. 

Years later, after I was married and after Ted had passed away, I started corresponding with Laura, his second wife. She is the one who gave me my first pictures of Ted. I was later able to get a few more from a cousin I had discovered by doing genealogy.

I know Ted was in the Army in World War II. Information gleaned from some military records say that he enlisted 7 January 1943 and was discharged 21 September 1945 (World War II ended on 2 September 1945). It says he had 3 years of high school, was 5' 11" tall, and weighed 168 lbs. He had brown eyes, black hair, and was of a dark complexion. The other information on this record says his civilian occupation was a "semiskilled inspectors, n.e.c" and his Army Branch was "Branch Immaterial--Warrant Officer."

His enlistment record says that he was married, but on his draft card he gave his sister, Virginia PERFILI, as his permanent contact and not his wife. Is the "married" on his enlistment record incorrect and he was single or is there a wife we are unaware of? Helen remarried in 1940 so he couldn't have been married to her when he enlisted. I can't see the original record, only an extraction, so maybe it says he was single and the "married" is an error.

I know Ted had a barber shop and also worked as an inspector for the Toledo Scale Company. Laura worked at a scale company as a bookkeeper when they married in 1947 and in the 1950 census, it says she was an inspector, as well. I figure it was also the Toledo Scale Company. That's about all I have on him. I am so happy to have the few pictures I do and am grateful for them.

As for conjecture, Ted's middle name is Gilbert. His great-grandfather was named Hubert Gilbert MOMINEE, so that is probably where his middle name comes from. However, Ted had a cousin named Gilbert who died at the age of 6 days old (probably named after their great-grandfather). That happened 22 years before Ted was born, but my mom and I are thinking that is also where Ted's middle name came from.

I think it's amusing that in their household while Ted was growing up, there was the father Fred, with his sons Ed, Fred, and Ted.

Another observation: Ted had 5 older siblings--Lucy, Ed, Jennie, Fred, and Dick. These five were born in a 7 year period. Then another 9 years pass before Ted is born, with his brother Sylvester (Ves) being born 2 1/2 years later. Maybe Pearl had children in between Dick and Ted that that passed away that we don't have a record for. It's no wonder that the photos I have of Ted as a child are just of Ted and Ves. I'm guessing they might have been close as children, but Laura told me that as adults Ves didn't have much contact with his family.

"Uno" and Ted

brothers Sylvester "Ves" and Ted

Ted and Sylvester

Ted and Sylvester

Ted and Sylvester

Ted

Ted

Laura and Ted

Ted

Ted with his niece Rita's children, Mary Jo and Jim PERFILI, 1953

 brother-in-law Tony Perfili, Laura and Ted, and his mother Pearl

more cousins from the Russ/Pinner clan from North Carolina in the 1800s (Bullard, McCormack, and Russ)

A refresher on the clan:

Isham RUSS (son of Isham RUSS and Dorcas McKEITHAN)
b. 1829 Brunswick county, NC
d. 1899 Lee county, NC
m. 1853 Richmond county, North Carolina

to

Mary Elizabeth PINNER (daughter of Arthur PINNER, son of Wright PINNER)
b. Jul 1829 Richmond county, NC
d. after 1 June 1900

According to the 1900 US Census in Sanford, Moore, NC, she had 9 children with 8 still living...so we are missing a child.
issue:
1-Virginia Victoria RUSS b. Mar 1854 d. between the 1900 and 1910 census (m. John Bryant KING)
2-Fannie E. RUSS b. Aug 1856 d. between 1910 and 1920 census (m. Daniel Davis BULLARD)
3-Adrena Cornelia RUSS b. 1859 d. before 1925
4-Molly/Mary A. RUSS 7 Mar 1861-6 Apr 1941 (m. Michael McCORMACK)
5-Isham A. RUSS b. Jan 1864 d. between 1900 and 1925 (m. Jessie BRYAN)
6-Clarence T. RUSS b. Nov 1867 d. between 1900 and 1925 (m. Mary F.)
7-James Dexter RUSS 23 Mar 1870-29 Dec 1933 (m. Sally PEACOCK)
8-Etta Johnnie RUSS 19 Jun 1871-4 Jun 1925 (m. Samuel Kolb MEIGS)--my ancestors

I have already have posted on Virginia's and Etta's families (click on their names above), so now I will do a brief run through of the other children's descendants. I have not spent as much time on these branches yet, so there are still plenty of dates that need to be found.



#2

Fannie E. RUSS

b. Aug 1856 Richmond county, NC
d. in between the 1910 and 1920 censuses
m. 27 Mar 1879 Alfordsville, Robeson, NC

to

Daniel Davis BULLARD

b. Jan 1855 Robeson county, NC

issue:
1-Ida May BULLARD b. Feb 1880 NC
2-Walter Daniel BULLARD b. Jul 1882 NC m. Eva DELOACH
3-Edward Russ BULLARD b. 16 Feb 1885 Robeson county, NC d. 7 Jul 1940 Pepples, Hampton, SC m. Edna GRAY
 4-Ethel L. BULLARD b. Jul 1887 Georgia
5-Claude E. BULLARD b. 14 Apr 1890 Colcuitt county, Georgia d. 12 Dec 1953 Varnville, Hampton, SC
6-Nellie D. BULLARD b. Nov 1892 Georgia
7-Oscar BULLARD b. Nov 1895 Georgia
8-Foster L. BULLARD b. 11 Nov 1898 Georgia d. Mar 1969 m. Lila




#4

Molly/Mary A RUSS

b. 7 Mar 1861 Richmond county, NC
d. 6 Apr 1941 (in Unadilla, Dooly, Georgia?)
m. about 1885

to

Michael McCORMACK (son of John Edward McCORMACK)

b. 22 Apr 1857 Toronto, Canada
d. 24 Oct 1942 Macon, Bibb, Georgia

issue:
1-John Edward McCORMACK b. 4 Jan 1886 Glenmore, Ware, Georgia d. 6 May 1941 Macon, Bibb, Georgia m. Jonnie Lou REEVES
2-Lorene McCORMACK b. Feb 1887 Georgia
3-Edith McCORMACK b. Dec 1889 Georgia
4-Ruth McCORMACK b. Mar 1892 Georgia
5-Willie McCORMACK b. Sep 1894 Georgia
6-Maude McCORMACK b. Feb 1897 Georgia
7-Imogene McCORMACK b. Dec 1899 Georgia




#5

Isham A RUSS

b. Jan 1864 Richmond county, NC
d. after 1900 census
m. 10 Dec 1891 Henry county, Alabama

to

Jessie BRYAN (daughter of Kossuth Kosiesko BRYAN and Mary TUCKER)
b. Mar 1874 Alabama

issue:
1-Eveline RUSS b. 1893 Henry county, Alabama
2-Bernice RUSS b. Mar 1895 Henry county, Alabama
3-Leondus S RUSS b. Dec 1896 Henry county, Alabama m. Florence G.
4-Isham K RUSS b. Apr 1899 Henry county, Alabama
5-Mary Bryan RUSS b. about 1903 Florida m. Roy Lamar COLQUETT


#6

Clarence T RUSS

b. Nov 1867 Richmond county, NC
m. about 1891

to

Mary Francis

b. Mar 1869 Texas

issue:
1-Clarence Albert RUSS b. 14 May 1893 Alabama
2-Claud L RUSS b. Sep 1895 Florida
3-Fred R RUSS b. Sep 1898 Florida
4-Bernice RUSS b. about 1901 Mississippi


#7

James Dexter RUSS

b. 23 Mar 1870 Richmond county, NC
d. 29 Dec 1933 Pensacola, Escambia, Florida
m. 26 Apr 1899 Jackson county, Florida

to

Sallie L. PEACOCK

b. Mar 1878 Greenwood, Jackson, Florida

issue:
1-James Dexter RUSS, Jr b. 1902 Florida d. Feb 1962 Escambia, Jackson, Florida

John Bryant and Virginia Victoria (RUSS) KING family North Carolina 1850 +

When I wasn't getting where I wanted to go with my direct line, I took the path of least resistance and worked on the family of my great-great aunt Virginia Victoria RUSS KING. I do not claim that this is complete, it's just what I found with the records at familysearch.org Also, I have not posted everything I have, as some people might still be alive.

I won't bother typing up sources, but most everything came from North Carolina Birth, Marriage, and Death record indexes. Also, to save typing, once I've mentioned the full name of a place, I will only use the town name after that point.

John Bryant KING (son of Bryant KING and Sarah)

b. 19 Jan 1851 Wilmington, New Hanover, NC
d. 4 May 1921 Sanford, Lee, NC
m. 22 Dec 1874 Stewartsville Twp, Richmond, NC

to

Virginia Victoria RUSS (daughter of Isham RUSS and Mary Elizabeth PINNER) my great-great aunt

b. Mar 1854 Richmond county, NC
d. after 4 May 1921 is the best I can come up with at this point, though there's a chance she is the Virginia KING who died 4 May 1923 in Columbia, Richland, South Carolina

They had 6 children: 1. Charles Benjamin KING, 2. Thomas Edward KING, 3. Arthur Pinner KING, 4. Isham Ernest KING, 5. Daniel Bryant KING, and 6. Mamie E. KING




1. Charles Benjamin KING
b. Dec 1875 NC
d. Jun 1907 Lee county, NC
m. 15 Apr 1903 Sanford Township, Lee, NC

to:

Nora Ann WICKER (daughter of John WICKER and Anna E. FIELDS)
b. 6 Nov 1885 Moore county, NC
d. 6 Aug 1973 Moore county

Charles and Nora has at least 2 children:

1-Charly Annie KING
b. 23 Apr 1904 Lee county
d. 11 Mar 1900 Fayetteville, Cumberland, NC

2-Virginia KING
b. 14 Sep 1906 NC
d. 10 Jan 1978 S. Pines, Moore, NC
m. 11 Oct 1924 Raeford, Hoke, NC to Neill Angus COLE

2. Thomas Edward KING

b. 24 Apr 1878 NC
d. 5 May 1954 Sanford
m. 18 Jan 1900 Sanford

to

Lillie Virginia DEBERRY (daughter of H A DEBERRY and Jennie)
b. Aug 1880 NC

Thomas and Lillie are the parents of:

1-Emma KING
b. 12 Oct 1900 NC
d. 5 Jul 1979 Sanford

2-James Victor KING
b. 25 Sep 1902 Lee county
d. 20 May 1986 Sanford
He was married to Emma Grace DONNELL

3. Arthur Pinner KING

b. 2 Mar 1881 Scotland county, NC
d.3 Sep 1952 Sanford
m. 17 Mar 1909 Crossroads, Wilson, NC

to

Fannie Ida BRAY (daughter of Jasper N. BRAY and Henrietta P. BRIDGES)
b. 13 Nov 1882 Chatham county, NC
d. 11 Jan 1933 Sanford

Arthur and Fannie had 5 children that I can find:

1-Frances Louise KING
b. 15 Dec 1909 Lee county
d. 24 Mar 1971 Sanford
m. to Lynn McIver PERRY (son of Paul PERRY and Lillie PEOPLES)

2-Arthur P KING, Jr
b. 20 Dec 1914 Lee county
d. 29 Jun 1917 Sanford

3-John B. KING
b. 22 Sep 1917 Lee county

4-Cornelia Ruth KING
b. 20 Oct 1920 Lee county
d. 19 May 1922 Sanford Township

5- Charles Bray KING
b. 6 Sep 1924 Lee county

4. Isham Ernest KING

b. 18 Sep 1883 NC
d. 14 Apr 1934 Wake county, NC
m.

to

Katie Lee HESTER (daughter of Hal M. HESTER and Laura Jane BOBBITT)

b. 5 Feb 1885 Granville county, NC
d. 21 Jun 1943 Greensboro, Guilford, NC

Isham and Katie are the parents of:

1-Betty T. KING
b. 1916
d. Jul 1977
m. Daniel James McDONNALD (1906-1973)

2-Isham E KING
b. 15 April 1919 NC
d. 1 December 1977

To see more on Isham E King, go to:
http://turningourhearts-beth.blogspot.com/2016/04/isham-e-king-1919-1977-north-carolina.html

5. Daniel Bryant KING (most records said Dan Bryant, though one did use Daniel)

b.16 Feb 1887 Wilmington
d. 30 Nov 1963 Oteen, Buncombe, NC
m. 7 Jun 1916 Asheboro, Randolph, NC

to

Carolyn G. WICKER (daughter of James McIver WICKER and Margaret GILMORE)

b. 10 Sep 1892 Pennsylvania
d. 3 Apr 1969 Sanford

Dan and Carolyn had the following:
1-James Wicker KING
b. 24 Mar 1917 Lee county
d. 19 Feb 1986 Durham, Durham, NC
m. to Catherine SWAN

2-Margaret G KING
b. 29 Oct 1921 Lee county
d. 24 Nov 1985 Sanford
m. Mr. BLALOCK

3-Dan Bryant KING
b. 29 May 1926 Lee county
d. 29 Mar 1940 Sanford

6. Mamie E KING

b. 10 Dec 1891 Wilmington
d. 31 May 1937 Wilmington
m. 21 Jun 1911 Lee county

to

William Thomas Atkinson, Sr. (son of Nunan ATKINSON and Mary Elizabeth BARLOW)

b. 21 Nov 1890 NC
d. 15 Feb 1965 Wilmington

William and Hannah (Westover) Newman b. England moved to Brooklyn in the 1800s

I think I have breached one of my brick walls...I have gathered enough circumstantial evidence to convince me. I have the right family for sure. Now I still have to prove it, of course, but I'm sure.

A reminder of some info I posted almost 1 1/2 years ago from here:

Sarah Ann NEWMAN daughter of Mr. Newman and Hannah WESTOVER (according to her death certificate)
b. 9 April 1830 Gravesend, Brooklyn, Kings, New York
m. December 1852 (probably in Brooklyn but perhaps on Long Island)
d. 2 January 1923 Copiague, Suffolk, New York

In her obituary it says this about her parents:

Mrs. Miller was born at Gravesend, Brooklyn, on April 9, 1830, the daughter of Thomas and Hannah NEWMAN.


And due to other census records, I knew that both of Sarah's parents were from England.

In searching the US Census in New York, I came up with a family that I believed to be Sarah's. I was finally able to find proof. It was such a sweet experience for me.

1850 US Census New York, Kings county, Brooklyn Ward 7

William Newman   age 47   b. England
Anna                           36        England
Sarah                          20        New York (later married John Henry MILLER)
Mary Jane                  16         New York  (later married David C STEWART)
Frances                      10         New York  (later married a Charles D. LATIMER, then Edgar SKIDMORE)
Thomas                        7         New York
Catharine B                  5         New York  (later married John COOK, then Robert LOUDEN)

So, the article got the name of Sarah's father wrong or confused it with her brother or her father's name is William Thomas or Thomas William or the census taker got his name wrong. In later censuses Anna Newman is always listed as Hannah.


1860 US Census Brooklyn 7th Ward, Kings, New York:

Hannah Newman             48
Hester Stewart              10/12
Catharine B. Newman     15
David C. Stewart           27
Mary J. Stewart              25
Fanny Newman              20


1870 US Census in Brooklyn Ward 7, Kings, New York:

Hannah Newman      60
Jennie  Tatmer          29
Charles Tatmer          4
John Cook               28
Cath Cook               25
Jas W Cook               3

1870 US Census Brooklyn Ward 7, Kings, New York

David C. Stewart      27 (that's what it says, though they must have meant 37)
Mary J.                     37
Esther A.                  11
Kate                          7


1880 US Census in Brooklyn, Kings, New York gives me:

Hannah Newman       69
Fannie L. Latimer      40 (dressmaker)
Charles O. Latimer    14

1880 US Census Brooklyn, Kings, New York City-Greater, New York
David C. Stewart     46
Mary J.                    46
Kate B.                    17


And in the 1900 US Census Brooklyn Ward 7, Kings, New York I find:

Frances E. Latimer    b. Feb 1840  (dressmaker)

The 1910 census finds her listed as Frances E. Skidmore. I later found her marriage record to Edgar Skidmore for 27 April 1901.


As I was searching the New York state censuses trying to find any more info I could, I first found in the 1875 census:

David C Stewart

Mary J 

Esther A (age 15) 

Kate B (age 9)

Annie E Lattimer (age 35)

Charles O Lattimer (age 9).

I then looked for Mary in the 1892 census and couldn't find her.

I then looked in the 1905 census and found in Brooklyn:
Smith, William     age 41
Smith, Katie    wife    39
Smith, Hattie   dau     10
Randolf, Jessie  dau   20
Stewart, Mary J  mother-in-law   71

So, then I decided to try the 1892 census again, since I now knew Mary was alive then since she was alive in 1905. She had to be somewhere.

In the index, I saw a Mary I STEWART in Flatbush, so I clicked on it (even though every record I've found so far has been in Brooklyn). Mary I Stewart was the first name on the page and I did not recognize the next family. So, I clicked to view the previous page and found Smiths and Randolfs, so I knew it was my Mary. Now, if I had found this before I saw the 1905 census, I might not have recognized it as the Mary I was looking for, since it was in the 1905 census I learned Kate's married name Smith and that there were Randolfs involved (still need to figure that one out...was Kate married to a Randolf before she married William Smith?). So, the order of finding Mary in the 1905 census before the 1892 census was a blessing. But then I noticed something else...the thing that really makes me feel this has got to be my family--although it still isn't proof, it is enough circumstantial evidence that I'm convinced.

Living next door to

William S Smith age 30  occupation mason
Katie D Smith          27
Margaretta Randolf    9
Jessie Randolf           7
Mary I Stewart        57

was this family that I was familiar with (and even have a photo of Ferdinand...see below):

Ferdinand L. Allen  age 40 occupation saddlery
Abby S. Allen                40
Harold L Allen                 4
Ralph H Allen                  1

The reason I know Ferdinand is that his wife Abby died and he later married my Sarah's daughter, Emma L. MILLER. Emma's future husband was living next door to her Aunt Mary and cousin Katie.

Emma L Miller Allen, Joshua Purdy Jervis, Ferdinand L. Allen

I was able to find the death certificate for Frances E. (NEWMAN) LATIMER SKIDMORE and it confirms that her mother was Hannah WESTOVER and it lists her father as "Wm NEWMAN." My Sarah's death certificate lists Hannah Westover as her mother, but only had "--- Newman" as her father, so I was pretty excited.

I did find a death record for a William NEWMAN in Brooklyn in the right time frame (in between the 1850 and the 1860 census). I ordered William's death certificate, but it did not have any helpful info on it.

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The South Side Signal (Babylon) Saturday August 6, 1887

Amityville
Mrs. Hannah Newman, a former resident of this village, recently passed away at the age of 76 years.

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Then there was this beautiful piece of proof:

Brooklyn Eagle
Thursday, July 28, 1887
Page: 3
Section: none

NEWMAN--On July 27, Mrs. Hannah Newman, aged 76.
     Funeral services at the residence of her son in law, Mr. John H. Miller, 685A Hancock st, Brooklyn, N.Y., on Friday, July 29th, at 2 P.M.

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Frances NEWMAN
b. 29 February 1840 in Brooklyn, Kings, New York
m 1st. Charles D. Latimer on 8 September 1865 in New York
    issue: Charles O. Latimer (about 1 July 1866-1 Apr 1889)
m 2nd Edgar Skidmore on 27 April 1901 in New York

I'm pretty sure that this Edgar is Frances's husband:

The Brooklyn Daily Eagle 23 March 1905 death notices lists a "Skidmore, Edgar" and it says this:

SKIDMORE--EDGAR  SKIDMORE-- On Wednesday, March 22, 1905, at his late residence, 1218 Bedford av.
Funeral services 8 o'clock Friday evening.